Oameni buni i oameni de bine Oameni buni si oameni de bine este unul dintre romanele cele mai dinamice si mai captivante ale autoarei folosind ca pretext o trama politista cu accente gotice romanciera pune in scena o intreaga l

  • Title: Oameni buni şi oameni de bine
  • Author: Iris Murdoch Anca-Gabriela Sirbu
  • ISBN: 9789734641833
  • Page: 409
  • Format: Paperback
  • Oameni buni si oameni de bine este unul dintre romanele cele mai dinamice si mai captivante ale autoarei folosind ca pretext o trama politista, cu accente gotice, romanciera pune in scena o intreaga lume, cu personaje dintre cele mai diverse Sinuciderea misterioasa a unui inalt functionar guvernamental pasionat de magia neagra declanseaza o ancheta interna, cu care esteOameni buni si oameni de bine este unul dintre romanele cele mai dinamice si mai captivante ale autoarei folosind ca pretext o trama politista, cu accente gotice, romanciera pune in scena o intreaga lume, cu personaje dintre cele mai diverse Sinuciderea misterioasa a unui inalt functionar guvernamental pasionat de magia neagra declanseaza o ancheta interna, cu care este insarcinat protagonistul cartii, John Ducane Dar, pe masura ce si desfasoara investigatia, acesta descopera totodata viata ascunsa a apropiatilor sai santaj, frustrari adolescentine, obsesii erotice, iubiri nemarturisite In universul construit de Iris Murdoch, valori individuale fundamentale precum iubirea sau prietenia se confrunta cu valorile morale ale societatii legea, dreptatea, ordinea Cu slabiciunile si pacatele lor, dar si cu puterea de a iubi si de a se sacrifica.

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    1. I just don't know what it is with Iris Murdoch novels. I simply can't tell them apart. And I can't explain why. She's smart. She writes well. I like her, and I've read most of her books. I've got a good memory, and I can usually do this kind of thing. For example, I generally find it quite easy to say which Bond film a given incident belongs to. But Iris Murdoch? Sorry.It's not just me either. I recall this incident at a party in Manchester, some time in the winter of 1977. I'd just gone through [...]

    2. Is it good to be nice, nice alone, or is it nice to be good?Come to think of it, our goodness almost at all times is an action, more so a reaction. It is for a purpose, it expects, it judges, it is hardly forthcoming and shies away from forgiveness. How miraculously difficult it is to be good to someone not so good to you and how difficult it is to be so when one is in control. As Murdoch quotes, “The only genuine way to be good is to be good ‘for nothing’ in the midst of a scene where eve [...]

    3. I tend to like novels which butt the classical spiritual world and its mischievous characters against the modern world as this one does. For that reason I knew I'd like The Nice and the Good. I want to call it a novel of manners--it is one of those British novels with a large number of characters gathered at a spacious country house by the sea, though there are sections in London, too. But it's an Iris Murdoch novel so there's lots going on besides social comedy and hanky-panky--there's a suspic [...]

    4. "A head of department, working quietly in his room in Whitehall on a summer afternoon, is not accustomed to being disturbed by the nearby and indubitable sound of a revolver shot."The Nice and the Good rewards Attention. And Attention here is not the fixation on story specifics that foretell the action or outome; there is more here than Shakespearean abundance in figures and forms. For Murdoch, and I've said this previously or a good reading of her essays might show, Attention is something like [...]

    5. I'm an Iris Murdoch sycophant so there's almost no reason to write a review. The Nice and The Good stands with her best, another novel about the British middle classes in the 70s, this with some political intrigue, mysterious cults, and many affairs. But, like many of her books, it's about loneliness, relationships, and in this case childhood. Iris exquisitely defines each character and relationship, and she loves relationships in transition. She's sometimes described as cold-hearted but I think [...]

    6. "Theo had begun to glimpse the distance which separates the nice from the good, and the vision of this gap had terrified his soul".Here, on the second page from the end, is the sentence which really sums up the whole book. Throughout, we see characters trying to be good yet feeling unfulfilled, and characters trying to be 'nice' and failing to be good. Set against the backdrop of a Whitehall thriller, mixed in with murder and the occult, you have 'The Nice and the Good'.The message is not perhap [...]

    7. This had all the classic Murdochian elements a cast of thousands introduced in opening pages, civil servants, people rich enought to have actual servants, teenagers naked swimming, the sea, bizarre deaths, a European intellectual, everyone being good/not being good/not knowing whether they ought to be good/not knowing whether they are being good/not knowing what good means but I didn't feel it was to her usual standard. Not half as enjoyable as A Fairly Honourable Defeat.Favourite line:"The ro [...]

    8. While reading this book, I had occasion to Google “Irish Murdoch Christian,” as certain bits of the text made me curious. (At least according to , she referred to herself as a “Christian Buddhist,” so that you need not repeat my own diligent scholarly efforts in this regard.) A review of her novel Nuns and Soldiers came up, a review that bears the snarky title “A Romance for Highbrows.” Because the author of the review, George Stade, writes that Nuns and Soldiers is “the epitome an [...]

    9. Early on, we read something about the deep superiority of the socially secure, and Murdoch takes us on a wild ride through the tortured lives of well to do Brits in the 60s who are still a bit puritanical and repressed, owing to having been raised by the children of the Victorian generation. The novel has a great many wonderful insights about life and marriage, however bogged down it occasionally become in language. Ducane is a serious man who wants to be well thought of, but his seriousness is [...]

    10. I recall reading some Murdoch in my teens and not particularly liking it. I've since thought of her as one of those writers I've tried and rejected, which is really not true at all. Of course I didn't like her at seventeen, I was busy making mixed tapes. So when this filthy, stained copy of The Nice and the Good beckoned to me at the library, I took it home, and now I'm all excited. It was good! Does that mean all her writing is good? Do I have a multitude of good novels left to discover? Is thi [...]

    11. I’m not getting on too well with Iris Murdoch. Under the Net went pretty much over my head. The Bell was a good read. And this one falls somewhere in between. It had moments when I was glad I was reading it. Whole chapters even. But, on the whole, I found myself labouring through it and counting how many pages I had to go.It begins well enough. I thought we were going to plunge right into a murder-mystery within the halls of a government department. But soon were were at some house in the coun [...]

    12. Initially this seemed like the tale of the Famous Five (scratch Timmy and insert Mingo)after they'd all grown up. The boys going into the civil service and the girls getting married and having children like good girls do. And yet they remain living in each others' pockets and having lashings and lashings of interior monologues (this being where it departs from the Enid Blyton original). There are a lot of characters and we get to see the inner workings of most of them. Occasionally it becomes re [...]

    13. I was looking at books nominated for the Man Booker Prize and saw this one listed. I had not read anything by Iris Murdoch and decided I needed to read something more intellectually stimulating than the mysteries I consume, so checked it out from the library. I was about half way through the book when I knew it was a book I wanted to own. I need to make notes in this book.This would be a good book to include in a modern literature class or a good book for a book club. There is so much to discuss [...]

    14. The Nice and the Good is a novel about love and human nature. The novel centres on John Ducane and his relationships, but furthermore to the relationships of the motley crew who live at Trescombe House in Dorset. Kate and Octavian (who own Trescombe House) have picked up a number of waifs and strays over the years and they all live together. As the novel progresses the characters embark on relationships with one another, some falling in love, some falling out. There are many kinds of relationshi [...]

    15. When the mysterious Radeechy kills himself at the office, he unknowingly sparks a whirlwind of emotion and intrigue in London and Dorset, during a stifling long summer.Poor, genial Octavian is left the tedious task of investigating the incident and wastes no time in delagating it to worrisome John Ducane.Although Ducane is introduced as the fancy man of Kate, Octavian's wife, on her terms and amongst her family of misfits and strays in Dorset, it can be argued that he is the moral centre of the [...]

    16. My first Iris Murdoch. I liked it plenty. The gulf between being nice and good is a rough one. The main character strives to be good (and suffers) while his friends and hosts of the country home weekends he's invited to, content themselves with being nice. (shallower but they seem to have fun) A thought-provoking book. My one issue (and unfair given that I'm reading it in 2011 and not 1968 or whenever it was first published) is that the women are defined solely through the male characters. I fin [...]

    17. Like Graham Greene, Murdoch is one of those dead authors where everytime I read a book I am saddened that my excitement of discovery has been lessened. One can read a book again but the initial wonder can never be recaptured. Using a strange and violent death at a government office, Murdoch follows a trail that is less about solving the mystery than examining the life of the man assigned to solve the mystery. Intricate and fascinating, I swam into its dark sea cave reveal where the turbulance an [...]

    18. Ultimately felt a little too neat, which is surprising considering I spent a lot of the book wondering where in the world it was headed. Also, what was that final scene? I'll be thinking about it for a while; a touch of the absurd and whimsical that could be interpreted as a sharp, painful jab in the side of humanity. As usual though, Murdoch has plenty of insightful, complicated things to say about what it means to be a good person; I'm glad I read it.

    19. I liked it! And I felt erudite reading it! Win win, wieners.This is a strange book with a lot of strange characters, and I'm not quite sure I totally absorbed the premise (people are nice but not goodor good but not nice. Or something.) but the plot kept on trucking with sex, affairs, S&M, detective-work, suicide attempts, love and good times at the beach. All bathed in wonderful descriptions, vocabulary, pacing, etc. Very well done. Bravo.

    20. Overall I really enjoyed this one - but I had a strange relationship with this novel, but that had more to do with my mood than the novel itself. There is plenty that is typically Murdoch in this one, peculiar relationships, the sea, goodness and enchantment being just some examples. I really enjoyed the mystery surrounding the suicide that the novel opens with. Very memorable - and certainly very readable.

    21. With a too-heavy prose-to-dialogue ratio and characters who just can't be liked, this book ultimately fails to deliver the promised meditations on the difference between being nice and being good- it seems none of the people in this book can bother to be either or to be particularly interesting amidst this failure.

    22. I literally hugged this book when I was done with it. Edging past The Sandcastle as my favorite Iris Murdoch. As always, everything that shouldn't work does--the overstuffed roster of characters, the melodrama, the misunderstandings and misrouted letters. The ending manages to be both improbable and hugely satisfying. Recommended for patient fans of elegant writing.

    23. after reading this book and skimming through a couple of old reviews for other Murdoch works, i can honestly say she is one of the best character builders that i know. forget the plot! i am fascinated with the little twerks that make her books personal reveries upon humanity. review to come.

    24. “He had begun to glimpse the distance which separates the nice from the good, and the vision of this gap had terrified his soul”. * * * * *Iris Murdoch (1968) is pre-visioning with alarming accuracy what has become known as the chattering classes. I don’t think it was ever her intention to be satirical, but she could almost be said to come very close to it here. Octavian and Kate Gray frequently escape from London to their Dorset ‘cottage’, which if they were not so nice and also ruthl [...]

    25. Two stories interwoven into one really.The mysterious death of a civil servant prompts a high level investigation by the central character , the lawyer Ducane. Also a story about Ducane and a variety of friends and family who spend their summer at his line manager's communal summer residence in Cornwall.Their individual raison d'etres, their inter-relationships, affairs and affections are closely observed. Underlying it all it is a treatise on love,selflessness and the higher good. A strong sens [...]

    26. Another very entertaining Iris Murdoch novel. Good character development and an interesting, gradual revelation of secrets. The story starts with an apparent suicide. The novel explores goodness and morality through the relationships between a group of friends who spend their time at the estate of Octavian and Kate Gray in Dorset. Murdoch fans should not be disappointed with another satisfying read. The Bell and The Black Prince are still my top Murdoch novels with The Nice and the Good slightly [...]

    27. I liked Iris Murdoch's style of writing the the characters and their interactions in the book were very believable. The house and the couple who lived there reminded me a bit of Greek gods living on their privileged mountain top and enjoying manipulating people's lives for their own amusement. But storylines never really got anywhere or fizzled out so I only gave the book a 3.

    28. Really enjoyed my previous two forays into Iris Murdoch but couldn’t get into this one at all. A confusing number of characters are introduced in rapid succession, none of them immediately likeable or particularly interesting and most of them actively irritating. Possibly I wasn’t in the right mood. Might give it another bash at some point.

    29. so glad i was reminded of her by pete’s recommendation i’d forgotten how much i loved her writing. i’ll have to go back and read more

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